Talk:Super Smash Flash/Archive
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[edit] Keep or Delete?
i've played this game before and it's... fairly decent. however, i don't think it's notable enough to have it's own article. should we nominate for deletion or just clean this baby up? FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 17:11, October 22, 2007 (EDT)
Keep - This game will get forgotten if it doesn't get documented here, so it's definitely a cleanup and not a deletion. Rule 1) Anything with smash-related knowledge deserves an article by default. Rule 2) Consider what counts as smash-related knowledge and then re-consider Rule 1. :^) -- RJM Talk 17:29, October 22, 2007 (EDT)
Keep What needs to be done to clean it up? The Chosen Talk
- The Chosen. After you say what you need to say put --~~~~ at the end, and it'll automatically put your sig.--Janitor 19:54, October 22, 2007 (EDT)
- Well, for instance, compare this article to, oh, say...this one?? :^) --RJM Talk 20:03, October 22, 2007 (EDT)
Thanks I appreciate it. I'm new and this was my first article.--The Chosen 21:00, October 22, 2007 (EDT)
- Also, a link to information or a playable version would help to legitimize the article. -- RJM Talk 09:23, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
Delete i just don't think this is relevant enough to keep. i mean, it's a nice game and all, but the game doesn't benefit from it at all. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 20:28, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
- Keep Just my say: The primary objective of a non-Wikipedia game wiki is to document everything important to the community based on that game in an encyclopedic fashion, whether the articles are fan-based or not; this flash game appears to be particularly famous and major to the Smash Bros. community, so it's possible it actually has more precedence on this wiki than my in-game articles on Seel and Geodude. It definitely has much more precedence than the thousands of Smasher articles IMO. Erik, Lord of Universes 00:51, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
Strong Delete this is completely unimportant to the Wiki. WaluigiIsAwesome 05:40, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
Keep, this is a Wiki for Super Smash Bros. This may be a fangame but it's still notable enough for an article on this specific Wiki. --Spoonorca 17:31, November 3, 2007 (EDT)
- This is NOT notable! It's some mediocre fangame (yes, I have played it) made by a no-name 16 year old with a copy of Flash. Fangames should only be added if you can ask the average gamer and they'll know what you're talking about. WaluigiIsAwesome 16:16, November 5, 2007 (EST)
- You know, I think this little website was put together by some 13 year-old without Flash and the average gamer doesn't seem to have a clue about it when I ask them... --RJM Talk 17:01, November 5, 2007 (EST)
- Very good point. Fame is less restricted on more specific Wikis such as this one. --Spoonorca 22:51, November 5, 2007 (EST)
- You know, I think this little website was put together by some 13 year-old without Flash and the average gamer doesn't seem to have a clue about it when I ask them... --RJM Talk 17:01, November 5, 2007 (EST)
EXTREME DELETE I have never felt importance of non-official (non licensed games) information about ssb on this wiki, and many others. Kperfekt722 (talk) 00:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Weak keep. The game sucks hard, but if we're gonna be including fan made stuff, then why bother getting rid of this? ReiDemon (talk)
[edit] Delete
This article is ridiculous! We are a Wiki, we about getting information on Official Super Smash Bros. games, not fan-made ones. I propose this be deleted without hesitation! - Pokemon DP
So everything thats fan made about Super Smash Brothers should be deleted?The Chosen 08:46, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
- No, certainly not. Fan-made creations about smash is what drives the community and keeps the game alive. You guys gotta be a little more laid back about this wiki content and stop crusading around trying to delete every page that doesn't have a Dojo update. I didn't know about this game before this article was created and now I'm glad that I read it--as a smash enthusiast, isn't that a good enough reason to keep an article? -- RJM Talk 09:19, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
- No, it is NOT. Fan-made creations have no importance on an encyclopedia. Check all the other Wikis, do they have Fan creations? NO! - Pokemon DP - Who cares if the game is fun, it is not official, thus, has no place here.
- LOL The Chosen. After your post, put --~~~~ at the end. It'll automatically post your sig instead of typing it out xD --Janitor 21:03, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
- I'll have to respectfully disagree with Pokemon DP on this one, mainly for my reason above, but also because I checked other wikis and see that they actually do have articles on fan creations. I'll count fansites among fan creations, and it's okay for wikis to have articles on prominent fansites (as is the case with the Star Wars Wikia, the biggest and most venerable of the Wikia wikis; here's a primary example). And the Warcraft Wikia has loads of articles on in-game player-created World of Warcraft guilds, and people don't complain about having those up because the stricter content policies of Wikipedia don't necessarily apply to any outside wiki. Erik, Lord of Universes 00:51, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
- Oh well, it was worth a shot. - Pokemon DP - I still don't think fan-creations should belong here, but, whatever.
- Heh, don't worry about it. Honest opinions can only be helpful to us in our prioritizing everything if they're provided constructively like yours were. :) Erik, Lord of Universes 15:32, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
- Actually, if you allow fan Smash games, then can't other people who are making up fan-Smash games (like me) make articles on their creations? (I am saying this as a form of logic) - Pokemon DP
- Yep its like always... discussing for something that could be simply solve I feel like home here, only that this isn't my home and my friends and family are... well my point here is that we shoul keep this, for example if without this article RJM will never know about the game, either I. (bet that randal00 or fireNWater will erase the first 29 words of my comment >.<) --Fandangox 21:50, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- What? - Pokemon DP
- In short words: That's the way I'm and we should keep this. (why are you triying to delete so many pages?) --Fandangox 21:57, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Because so many of your articles (actually, MOST of your articles) are worthless and un-encyclopedia-ish. - Pokemon DP - Who cares if most people don't know about Super Smash Flash! It is not official, hence, does not belong on an encyclopedia. There IS a Wiki for fan-games, ya know.
- Well you are right with that there are Fan wiki pages, but... ah! do whathever you want. (with: "actually, MOST of your articles" you are refering to me?) --Fandangox 22:02, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- By "Your" I meant the Wiki as a whole, so I was not referring to you alone. - Pokemon DP - Also, this Wikis Smasher articles are totally worthless. They are only used to increase a Users ego! You want people to know who you are and how good you are at SSB? You have Userpages for that!
- Dude I thing you are wrong Smashers page should't be deleted. Yes, most of that Smashers page are created to every to know how good you are at Smash, but other smashers page have been created for other people, I have create some smashers page that the guys have't Userpages. deleting all those page will be delwting half of Smashwiki!. --Fandangox 22:13, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Articles on Smashers who have won major tournaments can stay, articles on Smashers who have made no real accomplishments in a tournament shouldn't stay. And, yes, we would be deleting half of Smashwiki. Any problems with that? You may be making the Wiki smaller, but at least you are making it look more profressional. - Pokemon DP
- Ok this is what we are going to do: I will delete my Smasher page when other 100 amateurs agreed with deleting their own pages, deal? --Fandangox 22:22, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Deal. IMO, that information should be moved to your Userpage. Check my Userpage, it has information of my best and second best characters, and other Smash information. That's a good example. - Pokemon DP
- I have that information on my Userpage too. I understand what you are trying to do its good and all, but we are really forced to do that. --Fandangox 22:33, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Pardon? I don't quite understand your last sentence, sorry. - Pokemon DP
- Sorry I'm not that good in english, I say that its ok what you are triying to do (make smashwiki better), but we don't really need to erase our Smashers page. No one have ever have make a big deal of that. --Fandangox 22:42, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- No one else probably thought about this logically, most likely. Not that I'm insulting anyone! - Pokemon DP
- I never say that, and also every likes these pages. --Fandangox 22:46, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Well, if I continue arguing, there will be no more room for our text, so I'm gonna stop. :P - Pokemon DP
- I'm surprised this is still a discussion. Try playing the game--it really is very well done and if I were the developer, it would be an insult to include articles like Famicom Detective Club II on a smash-oriented wiki and then delete this one. Also, I can't believe there's actually multiple people who support the deletion of smasher articles. Do you compete? Do you have any concept of the breadth of the competitive smash community and how important the tournament scene is to the survivability and popularization of the game? Oi. --RJM Talk 16:07, November 2, 2007 (EDT)
- Well, if I continue arguing, there will be no more room for our text, so I'm gonna stop. :P - Pokemon DP
- I never say that, and also every likes these pages. --Fandangox 22:46, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- No one else probably thought about this logically, most likely. Not that I'm insulting anyone! - Pokemon DP
- Sorry I'm not that good in english, I say that its ok what you are triying to do (make smashwiki better), but we don't really need to erase our Smashers page. No one have ever have make a big deal of that. --Fandangox 22:42, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Pardon? I don't quite understand your last sentence, sorry. - Pokemon DP
- I have that information on my Userpage too. I understand what you are trying to do its good and all, but we are really forced to do that. --Fandangox 22:33, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Deal. IMO, that information should be moved to your Userpage. Check my Userpage, it has information of my best and second best characters, and other Smash information. That's a good example. - Pokemon DP
- Ok this is what we are going to do: I will delete my Smasher page when other 100 amateurs agreed with deleting their own pages, deal? --Fandangox 22:22, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Articles on Smashers who have won major tournaments can stay, articles on Smashers who have made no real accomplishments in a tournament shouldn't stay. And, yes, we would be deleting half of Smashwiki. Any problems with that? You may be making the Wiki smaller, but at least you are making it look more profressional. - Pokemon DP
- Dude I thing you are wrong Smashers page should't be deleted. Yes, most of that Smashers page are created to every to know how good you are at Smash, but other smashers page have been created for other people, I have create some smashers page that the guys have't Userpages. deleting all those page will be delwting half of Smashwiki!. --Fandangox 22:13, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- By "Your" I meant the Wiki as a whole, so I was not referring to you alone. - Pokemon DP - Also, this Wikis Smasher articles are totally worthless. They are only used to increase a Users ego! You want people to know who you are and how good you are at SSB? You have Userpages for that!
- Well you are right with that there are Fan wiki pages, but... ah! do whathever you want. (with: "actually, MOST of your articles" you are refering to me?) --Fandangox 22:02, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Because so many of your articles (actually, MOST of your articles) are worthless and un-encyclopedia-ish. - Pokemon DP - Who cares if most people don't know about Super Smash Flash! It is not official, hence, does not belong on an encyclopedia. There IS a Wiki for fan-games, ya know.
- In short words: That's the way I'm and we should keep this. (why are you triying to delete so many pages?) --Fandangox 21:57, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- What? - Pokemon DP
- Yep its like always... discussing for something that could be simply solve I feel like home here, only that this isn't my home and my friends and family are... well my point here is that we shoul keep this, for example if without this article RJM will never know about the game, either I. (bet that randal00 or fireNWater will erase the first 29 words of my comment >.<) --Fandangox 21:50, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
- Actually, if you allow fan Smash games, then can't other people who are making up fan-Smash games (like me) make articles on their creations? (I am saying this as a form of logic) - Pokemon DP
- Heh, don't worry about it. Honest opinions can only be helpful to us in our prioritizing everything if they're provided constructively like yours were. :) Erik, Lord of Universes 15:32, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
- Oh well, it was worth a shot. - Pokemon DP - I still don't think fan-creations should belong here, but, whatever.
- I'll have to respectfully disagree with Pokemon DP on this one, mainly for my reason above, but also because I checked other wikis and see that they actually do have articles on fan creations. I'll count fansites among fan creations, and it's okay for wikis to have articles on prominent fansites (as is the case with the Star Wars Wikia, the biggest and most venerable of the Wikia wikis; here's a primary example). And the Warcraft Wikia has loads of articles on in-game player-created World of Warcraft guilds, and people don't complain about having those up because the stricter content policies of Wikipedia don't necessarily apply to any outside wiki. Erik, Lord of Universes 00:51, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
[edit] KEEP!
Granted, this game sux balls, but do you see anyone else even trying to make a SSB based game? Respect this game for trying! it should count also. it is practically trying to be third party MELEE!--Tarrant1400 (talk) 21:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
well, actually, there's always Super Smash Clash, Super Smash Duel, Super Smash Bros. NES, Future Smash Bros., and on the "other category" theres always Super Smash X. KP317 (talk) 21:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thank you for supporting my argument! those pages get their own pages: why not this one?--Tarrant1400 (talk) 21:59, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Exactly what I was thinking. Smash Clones should be included since we already have other things that are fan made. Also, another fan Smash game, MultiHero, did everything that Super Smash Flash couldn't. ReiDemon (talk) 20:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Clean up and merge
This article has gotten out of hand. It's longer than pages for canon games! Start slimming it down and merging with SSF2. Silverdragon706/FyreNWater - (T • C ) 08:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
